palin comparison, part two

as my friend david says, let the borking begin…

and sadly, this is what i’m afraid is happening to sarah palin, and more often than not by women. i don’t get why feminists have such venom directed towards palin. even if one doesn’t agree with all of her political stances (i certainly don’t), you have to admire her for getting to the top by her own efforts: she definitely didn’t ride on her husband’s political coattails, unlike a certain junior senator from new york whose name i won’t mention. but, because palin doesn’t believe what apparently a typical feminist is supposed to believe (i.e., she’s anti-abortion, and not only talks the talk, but walks the walk), she’s been derided by the feminist left almost nonstop since mccain made his announcement last friday.

i have heard and read the most ridiculous statements about why palin is a horrible choice for veep, from the played out lack of experience argument to her ‘inability to control her personal life’ (how do her daughter’s actions translate to a lack of personal control?) meaning she would be horrible at controlling american’s lives. (the last is a paraphrase of a comment i read at the end of an article about palin; i apologize for not having made a note of the website where i read this. however, my point here is, is this why we elect a president/vice-president – in order to control our lives? if this is this case, then obama is your candidate.) however, a major area of focus against palin has been her stance on abortion, which will be my focus in the remainder of this particular posting.

one prominent argument i’m finding against mccain-palin is the fear that roe vs. wade will be overturned and all abortion will be instantaneously illegal. however, should that happen (which i doubt will actually occur), abortion will not be any less legal than it is now. it would simply mean that the matter would be turned over to the individual states, for each one to decide as it wishes. no matter how strongly mccain-palin (or anyone else) longs for roe vs. wade to be overturned, wishing real hard isn’t going to make it happen, and it seems to me at this point in our history, it has come down to little more than wishing.

furthermore, i would think that pro-choice feminists would allow and support palin’s ‘choice’ to give birth to and raise a downs’ syndrome child, as well as her daughter’s choice to begin her new family. however, it’s as though you’re only a true feminist as long as you’re pro-choice (meaning pro-abortion), and that the only valid choice in palin’s situation(s) would have been to terminate both pregnancies. because the choice to keep both babies is one that they would not make personally in a similar situation, it becomes an illegitimate choice (no pun intended) in the eyes of the feminist left. however, because of palin’s pro-life beliefs and her living out those beliefs, this actually makes her a bad mother, according to the feminist left, because she’s not staying at home keeping an eye on her teenage daughter while taking care of her developmentally disabled baby. yet a man with a similar family situation would not receive nearly the negative scrutiny that she has.

i have this very real fear that palin will be borked out of this opportunity, because of the way she’s being treated by the media. thankfully obama has the grace and decency to declare that candidates’ children should be off limits, but there is very little graceful or decent about the way that the media is all over this. i believe that on her own, palin is more than capable of handling what the media is dishing out. however, it may be a bit much for her family, especially as the media will most likely continually hound bristol and her fiancé and growing baby, as well as the running commentary as they (meaning we) watch trig grow up. she may try to declare her family off-limits, but the media will probably not have it, and she may therefore want to just protect everyone’s privacy and walk away from this offer of a lifetime. i certainly hope not, because whatever one may think of mccain, he has injected new life not only into his own campaign, but possibly into the country, by bringing in this outsider from the alaskan frontier. i may not have everything in common with her and may even disagree with her somewhat. however, it seems to me that while obama talks about change (and picks joe biden, a 36-year washington veteran – how’s that for change?), mccain has actually done something to bring it about by his choice of sarah palin. she may not have the experience at this present moment to be vice-president/a heartbeat away from president, but i have little doubt that she will quickly come up to speed.

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one of the signs of the apocalypse: i actually (mostly) agree with pat buchanan about something…

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8 responses to “palin comparison, part two

  1. >>she has executive experience being mayor and governor, which, no matter the size of the entities she has worked for, are to some extent microcosms of the federal government. and yes, alaska’s population is only slightly more than that of the county i live in (jackson county, missouri), but what is the population of joe biden’s home state of delaware?>>How does experience being the mayor of a little tiny town of 8500 compare to being a state senator for the state of Illinois which has one single city (Chicago, 2,842,518; state of Illinois, 12,831,970, US Census) with a higher population than the entire state of Alaska (670,053, US Census)? How being the governor of the same small state compare to being a US Senator (US population, 299,398,484, US Census)? While Palin was accepting her award as Miss Wasilla and working for a television sports station, Obama was at Harvard Law School becoming Editor of Law review? For the complete comparative timeline.http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i1oQ5OvArkDQqDUdM5xc4HUTAvcgD92VGO100The population of Delaware 853,476 (again US Census), which despite being much smaller physical size, still has a higher population than Alaska.>>more importantly, does he have any experience governing there? from my vantage point, being a united states senator consists of little more than pushing papers and voting and trying to get fellow senators to vote your way. there’s a big difference in voting on policy and implementing policy, and, from my point of view, palin has a huge advantage over biden (let alone obama) in implementing policy.>>In your previous post you say Biden has too much experience, now he doesn’t have enough? Which is it?I agree that there is a huge difference between policy implementation and policy creation. While it may be your view that “being a united states senator consists of little more than pushing papers and voting and trying to get fellow senators to vote your way”. Diplomacy and compromise can sometimes bring about better policy. This “paper-pushing” according to you, is what John McCain has been doing for that past for the last 22 years. So why is it “good” experience for McCain and “bad” experience for Biden?According to Encyclopedia Britannica:“Powers granted to Congress under the Constitution include the power to levy taxes, borrow money, regulate interstate commerce, impeach and convict the president, declare war, discipline its own membership, and determine its rules of procedure.”That is what the job entails. Congress is not tasked with implementation of policy or even interpretation of policy, they are tasked with policy-making. Separation of powers.The executive branch doesn’t implement policy either. According to the White House website:“The power of the executive branch is vested in the President, who also serves as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. The President appoints the Cabinet and oversees the various agencies and departments of the federal government.”Or from Encyclopedia Britannica“The power of the executive branch is vested in the President, who also serves as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. The President appoints the Cabinet and oversees the various agencies and departments of the federal government.”Neither one mentions implementation of policy. Implementation is tasked to agencies of federal, state and local government. It’s called decentralization of government control. A form of “checks and balances” implemented because the founding fathers’ concern that an unruly majority would choke the rights of the minority.>>as for the foreign policy experience question, well it does seem on paper that biden would have the advantage there. yet, as governor of alaska, palin has had to deal with russia on oil drilling rights issues, the same saber-rattling russia that just invaded georgia. and this is some speculation on my part, but being bordered by canada to the east and south, i’m sure she has had some dealings with them.>>Biden has been on the Foreign Relations board since 1975 dealing diplomacy at a federal level. However, I can’t find anywhere any record of Palin negotiating with either Canada or Russia. It was my understanding that government to government negotiation can only be done by the federal government. If you could steer me in the direction of an article or something other than “well Alaska is close to Russian and Canada” about her foreign policy experience I would certainly be willing to read it.

  2. >>How does experience being the mayor of a little tiny town of 8500 compare to being a state senator for the state of Illinois which has one single city (Chicago, 2,842,518; state of Illinois, 12,831,970, US Census) with a higher population than the entire state of Alaska (670,053, US Census)? How being the governor of the same small state compare to being a US Senator (US population, 299,398,484, US Census)? While Palin was accepting her award as Miss Wasilla and working for a television sports station, Obama was at Harvard Law School becoming Editor of Law review?>>first of all, i've seen and linked to the same census stats that you cite, so you're not telling me anything i haven't already looked up for myself. i am aware that delaware's population exceeds alaska's by a bit more than 100,000. still, palin is actually responsible for governing and making decisions affecting alaska's 700,000+ people, as opposed to biden 'merely' representing 800,000+ people (and i don't mean to diminish that, because i do realize that representing a constituency is a huge task. so is governing a state, though). secondly, obama's being president of the harvard law review doesn't mean a whole lot, considering that although he was the first black president, it seems his tenure was 'above average' at best: http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/02/12/how-good-was-obama-at-running-the-harvard-law-review/. plus, did he ever actually publish anything while he was editor? and, why did he let his attorney's license lapse?and, what does the timeline prove in regards to ability? at this point in time palin is not running for president, using solely her experience as city council person or pta mom, OR 'community organizer' (whatever that is). she is not running for the number one office in the land, obama is, with about as much experience as palin in the public sector. the argument that palin will be a heartbeat away from the pregnancy is valid, but i have no doubt that she will have the necessary skills and experience should she unexpectedly have to step into mccain's shoes.>>In your previous post you say Biden has too much experience, now he doesn’t have enough? Which is it?>>let's just say he has a lot of experience getting nothing accomplished. he has too much experience being a washington insider, and not enough executive experience. biden's been in the senate 36 years, as part of a congress that has an approval rating hovering in the high teens to low 20s, depending on who did the poll: http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm and thank you for the checks and balances/implementing/etc. lesson, although i had that class already, a long time ago. i *never* said that mccain was 'good' and biden 'bad'. i don't like mccain, and would not even consider voting for him if not for palin. i still most likely won't vote for him, but if i could just vote solely palin, i would. (and i learned from my national government class way back when that i can't do that, so there's no need for you to go to the encyclopedia brittanica to explain that to me, thank you.) my point in bringing up 'implementing' perhaps should have been worded differently, but all i'm saying is that palin has executive experience that, no matter their many, many years in public service, the other three simply don't have.

  3. >>first of all, i've seen and linked to the same census stats that you cite, so you're not telling me anything i haven't already looked up for myself. i am aware that delaware's population exceeds alaska's by a bit more than 100,000.>>>Why did you say you didn’t know what the population of Delaware was if you had looked it up? I was only trying to give you information you said you didn’t have.>>still, palin is actually responsible for governing and making decisions affecting alaska's 700,000+ people, as opposed to biden 'merely' representing 800,000+ people (and i don't mean to diminish that, because i do realize that representing a constituency is a huge task. so is governing a state, though).>>That Senators are merely “paper-pushers” and “merely representing” their states certainly sounds demeaning to me, however, I’m sorry if I misunderstood you. Its often difficult to understand what someone is saying through a strictly print medium. >>secondly, obama's being president of the harvard law review doesn't mean a whole lot, considering that although he was the first black president, it seems his tenure was 'above average' at best: http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/02/12/how-good-was-obama-at-running-the-harvard-law-review/. plus, did he ever actually publish anything while he was editor? and, why did he let his attorney's license lapse?>>I still think that an above average performance at one of the most prestigious universities in America carries a lot more intellectual weight than winning a beauty contest in a backwater town that no one has ever heard of. I personally prefer intelligent in a political candidate.>>and, what does the timeline prove in regards to ability? at this point in time palin is not running for president, using solely her experience as city council person or pta mom, OR 'community organizer' (whatever that is). she is not running for the number one office in the land, obama is, with about as much experience as palin in the public sector. the argument that palin will be a heartbeat away from the pregnancy is valid, but i have no doubt that she will have the necessary skills and experience should she unexpectedly have to step into mccain's shoes.>I think the timeline shows that while Palin was winning beauty contests and playing around in the family business, Obama was actually working in public service.True, Palin isn’t running for president, but as Vice President in the event that something would happen to McCain, then she would be president. As far as “community organizer” goes from wikipedia:“Community organizing is a process by which people are brought together to act in common self-interest or to help others. While organizing describes any activity involving people interacting with one another in a formal manner, much community organizing is in the pursuit of a common agenda. Many groups seek populist goals and the ideal of participatory democracy. Community organizers create social movements by building a base of concerned people, mobilizing these community members to act, and developing leadership from and relationships among the people involved.Community organizers act as area-wide coordinators of all the programs of different agencies so as best to meet community needs for health and welfare services. They also facilitate self-help programs initiated by local common-interest groups, for example, by training local leaders to analyze and solve the problems of a community. Community organizers work actively, as do other types of social workers, in community councils of social agencies and in community-action groups. At times the role of community organizers overlaps that of the social planners.”You did ask.

  4. >>let's just say he has a lot of experience getting nothing accomplished. he has too much experience being a washington insider, and not enough executive experience. biden's been in the senate 36 years, as part of a congress that has an approval rating hovering in the high teens to low 20s, depending on who did the poll: http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm>>McCain is part of that same Congress that Biden is and has been for 22 years. Don’t get me wrong, I lived in AZ for over 20 years and voted repeatedly for McCain. He got several of my friends into military academies with his letters of recommendation. But saying that “nothing got accomplished” for 36 years is like saying every lawyer in America is dishonest or every single black mother is a lazy welfare queen. >>and thank you for the checks and balances/implementing/etc. lesson, although i had that class already, a long time ago.>>Again, considering the way you presented what you said about Palin “implementing” policy, I thought perhaps you didn’t understand that the executive branch of federal or state government don’t implement policy.>>i *never* said that mccain was 'good' and biden 'bad'. i don't like mccain, and would not even consider voting for him if not for palin. i still most likely won't vote for him, but if i could just vote solely palin, i would. (and i learned from my national government class way back when that i can't do that, so there's no need for you to go to the encyclopedia brittanica to explain that to me, thank you. As I said ) my point in bringing up 'implementing' perhaps should have been worded differently, but all i'm saying is that palin has executive experience that, no matter their many, many years in public service, the other three simply don't have.>>So you believe that having less than two years experience as a governor of a small tiny state (in population, not in mass) is better experience for being president of the United States than serving in our military, or working with people in blighted inner cities, or representing our country in Congress? George Washington had no executive experience when he took office. He was a military general.

  5. >>Why did you say you didn’t know what the population of Delaware was if you had looked it up? I was only trying to give you information you said you didn’t have.>>in my original 'palin comparison' post, not in part two which you've been commenting on, i have a link to the u.s. census stats for the state of delaware within the post. i know what happens when one assumes, but i assume you read the first post at some point before reading part two. and i'm not sure where, in either one, i said i didn't know delaware's population. i *originally* didn't know, but i looked it up, because as a librarian, that's what i do.>>I still think that an above average performance at one of the most prestigious universities in America carries a lot more intellectual weight than winning a beauty contest in a backwater town that no one has ever heard of. I personally prefer intelligent in a political candidate.>>i prefer intelligence too, and while i'm think beauty pagaents are demeaning to women, it doesn't mean there aren't intelligent women who take part in them. harvard vs. university of idaho: of course there's no comparison as far as prestige, but it is demeaning to those of us who graduated from state universities to imply that we are not as 'intellectual' and perhaps not as qualified when compared to an ivy league graduate.>>You did ask.>>what did i ask? about the timeline? okay obama was in public service while she was entering contests or whatever. i'd love to talk with the people he was serving back then and see how different their lives are now because of the work he did as a 'community organizer'. i'm not saying their lives aren't better because of what he did, but i would just be curious to find out. i didn't ask you what a community organizer did, though, but, uh, thanks for the info…you and i are never going to convince one another of anything. 🙂 i have gone back and forth with myself and tried to get behind obama, but i couldn't because i just don't believe he's being upfront about a lot of stuff, which i'm not even going to go into at the moment. trust me, i have received my share of flack from friends and family for my not supporting him, but i have to go with my gut. and despite what you may think because of my support for palin, i have never liked mccain, and am only toying with the idea of voting for him because of palin. i don't even agree with some of her stances, but i think that even with the seriousness of the position she's running for, i think her coming in as an outsider with a relative lack of experience is a plus in her (and the country's) favor. many have said the exact thing about obama, that his lack of experience and involvement with the washington establishment is one reason why he should be elected. however, he's very liberal and she's very conservative, so guess who the mainstream media is going to support and guess who they are going to disparage? i like her and you don't and i doubt that is going to change by this running conversation, so let's just agree to disagree. 🙂

  6. to chade66:>>but what is the population of joe biden’s home state of delaware?>>okay, i can see where you might think this was a question where i was just too lazy to look up the answer for myself, but please notice in the post that 'delaware' was highlighted as a link with the answer to that question.

  7. All of this just proves to me that the Democrats are running scared and will stop at nothing to discredit Palin and McCain.This leads me to believe that I should go all out in supporting them… signs, T-shirts…the Works!Thank you so much for convincing me to vote McCain/Palin!

  8. It really doesn’t matter the size of the town as a whole but what have you done in that for that town and what they have brought to the table and what they have achieve while in office not for the various things that they have done or not have done as a general rule a governing body is what actions have been taken by political officials

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